Hello! My friend Hannah and I started a podcast 🙂 it's called Rehash, and it's all about social media phenomenons that once took the world by storm, only to be quickly forgotten! We're releasing episodes weekly, which you can find here (and wherever you get your podcasts): https://anchor.fm/rehashpodcast
Excellent analysis of young women coming of age as entertainers- I think celebrities are dehumanised – paradoxically whilst being asked to be human and fun. I am very interested in the adult journeys – most interesting is the Jen, Brad, Angelina – triangle. How quickly the perfect love story imploded – B and J – and then the same happened with B and A. Fans long for B and J to couple again. There’s something about who they are and what we want them to be. And how they respond while working – except their work is 24/7 because success is being “seen” and “living” celebrity.
I know Kanye is problematic and all but I feel like to a degree he does have a place in this convo as well and I’d love to see a version of this with his life as a part of this
I've been a musician for most of my life, and the last thing I want to be is famous. I'm a very private, mentally ill, and deeply anxious human being, and the idea terrifies me. If I ever start performing again, I just want to find a decent bar circuit and make a modest supplemental income doing something I love (and I say that as a disabled person living WELL below the poverty line).
Given the video topic, Michael Jackson's name being rattled off once in the span of almost 45 minutes is … I suppose just foul. A comprehensive conversation about the abuse of public figures cannot be had without understanding him as the pinnacle of the phenomenon; to omit him from the discussion is to omit racism and ableism from the discussion. When extreme fame becomes abuse, it is the vulnerable who suffer, as they do in every societal system within (particularly) the Western world. Britney Spear's womanhood was at the heart of her exploitation, and although in different ways, Princess Diana's maternal femininity and overall womanhood was also what placed her in such a vulnerable position. You were right to make those two women significant figures in your discussion of the topic.
However, bringing attention only to white women ignores some of the biggest aspects of how celebrity abuse happens and who it happens to. The reason Michael Jackson is so important here is, you have a man who's fame is challenged only by that of Jesus Christ himself, and who is a profoundly concentrated example of how abuse happens and would provide such an easy way to include bigotry and injustice into your video topic, and yet he was 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘦𝘹𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘥. One may think it would be more difficult to leave him out of the conversation than include him, because there has never been another public figure more bullied and public attacked than he. His name is synonymous with celebrity abuse/exploitation.
I would like to know why he was omitted from this video, but much more importantly, I want to strongly, strongly encourage you to focus more on the Black experience, how disabilities can demonize someone faster than you can blink, and the deeper nuances of the topics you select for your videos. I've only seen about 5-6 of your videos, and I believe you will not find it difficult to consider these points because you have a complex, solid approach to a variety of subjects. This comment will likely be lost, but I want to leave this here anyway on the hopeful basis of "just in case."
God i miss the way we used to be more candid lol its not like people got nicer they still think the same things they're just less free to voice their opinions
These people are products of mind control starting in uterus and then through their whole life. The moonchild…. its sad. My heart breaks for these "elite children".
It's even worse when abuse comes from the audience that the micro-celebrity identifies as her kin. Lindsay Ellis and Natalie Wynn have been systemically mocked and abused by conservatives for decades; it's only when she was mobbed by liberals and leftists over infractions that didn't merit anything stronger than a simple call-out, that these creators were left devastated.
Jeez guess whether Broey likes Miley or Selena more. Take a wild guess lol. Idk I think it'd be fairer to say there's a difference in disposition here and maybe you're not getting the same outbursts out of Selena Gomez you get out of Miley Cyrus, and I'll admit as someone who cares about neither of them I get the impression Selena Gomez is more fake because I haven't really seen her ever doing anything that wasn't pristine and curated but you know, maybe Selena Gomez really can fit herself inside that box pretty comfortably as a result of the person she is. Maybe she's a more measured person who's very sharp when it comes to how people view her and takes no issue with curating that as we all must in our lives. I think in American culture we tend to favor rebels and radicals for their authenticity and irreverence toward authority which may be oppressive, but what we likely undervalue is genuine goodness and restraint. Quiet confidence and adhesion to authority which is benevolent- not that I'm saying hollywood is, but perhaps you could argue there's a benevolence in whatever authority would encourage her to be careful about how she displays her inner reality to the public. There's definitely some sensibility in taking that voice into account within reasonable limits.
Also it seems female entertainers get it much much worse just for doing their job, than a famous male person who's been convicted of human trafficking and child abuse
I love the analysis, humor and obvious research for the video. I think there is so much to explore on the themes of personas, performance, social media, self-image and intimacy. Also, it seems like as a society, we distain any emotions other than the easy ones (happiness, for example), but we live our difficult emotions, (anger, jealousy, etc.) vicariously through media to avoid the discomfort of dilemmas and complexity in our own lives. I'm curious if you have done any videos or are researching any on instances of empathy building in media.
If you want to talk about the cultural shift of society and social values, just look at the way the public/entertainment media/the internet treated Britney Spears in 2007. and how they treat her currently
Britney Spears has been an Mkultra victim of the MicKey Mouse club, where many celebrity kids are forced into their sadistic ritual abuse!!. Every time a Celebrity goes to “rehab” or hospitalized they are undergoing Mkultra monarch Programming! Learn symbolism!!
Do you ever notice how celebs are constantly "reinventing" themselves?? They go through countless changes. It's all controlled by corporations. Fame is not real. I'm a huge film buff. They make money off of society & end up controlling society. Some ppl. are more concerned about celebs than public issues/their own life. Most of these ppl. are already rich especially in acting. That's how they make it in this. The likelihood of the average person making it in acting, singing or stand-up is the luck of finding a "needle" in 2 haystacks. Ppl. are so naive. Remember the term "pop star" or "icon" did not really exist until about the late 50's & was mostly pushed by the government/media. The rich control society via many means. They do not want the masses getting too smart or too interested in their agendas. Many of these celebs are used by the elite. What I'm getting @ is this: I'm almost 50 & have done tons of research; U learn to see through the bs of elite celebs & Hollywood since the 80's. It's all about $$.. Great/perceptive video. U did expose a lot.
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Hello! My friend Hannah and I started a podcast 🙂 it's called Rehash, and it's all about social media phenomenons that once took the world by storm, only to be quickly forgotten! We're releasing episodes weekly, which you can find here (and wherever you get your podcasts): https://anchor.fm/rehashpodcast
I don’t understand how this country is big on anti bullying but yet you do it publicly with these celebrities…maybe it only applies to children 🤔
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Wow this video was powerful. These women have went through so much. Male celebrities don’t get the same hate. I’m too sensitive.
I can’t even imagine the hell Britney went through 🥺
It's just sad that all this vitriol is mostly directed at women. I don't think this type of crap happens to the boys.
Most of these people want this. So, don't give a shit.
How is not telling people every inch of your life considered inauthentic? Not knowing more about someone doesn't mean a person isn't being authentic.
I just found u and im in loveeee this shit is so good
Excellent analysis of young women coming of age as entertainers- I think celebrities are dehumanised – paradoxically whilst being asked to be human and fun. I am very interested in the adult journeys – most interesting is the Jen, Brad, Angelina – triangle. How quickly the perfect love story imploded – B and J – and then the same happened with B and A. Fans long for B and J to couple again. There’s something about who they are and what we want them to be. And how they respond while working – except their work is 24/7 because success is being “seen” and “living” celebrity.
It's 2023 and Britney is still being "framed" as crazy by the media.
I know Kanye is problematic and all but I feel like to a degree he does have a place in this convo as well and I’d love to see a version of this with his life as a part of this
Your comparison says enough about selena and miley. So selena over miley anyday.
Fantastic documentary! Very insightful and thought provoking ❤️❤️❤️
Wack.
Do you want to resolve or expose them because that's really risky and would be mad. If it effects my career. Which has been happening too often.
I've been a musician for most of my life, and the last thing I want to be is famous. I'm a very private, mentally ill, and deeply anxious human being, and the idea terrifies me. If I ever start performing again, I just want to find a decent bar circuit and make a modest supplemental income doing something I love (and I say that as a disabled person living WELL below the poverty line).
Given the video topic, Michael Jackson's name being rattled off once in the span of almost 45 minutes is … I suppose just foul. A comprehensive conversation about the abuse of public figures cannot be had without understanding him as the pinnacle of the phenomenon; to omit him from the discussion is to omit racism and ableism from the discussion. When extreme fame becomes abuse, it is the vulnerable who suffer, as they do in every societal system within (particularly) the Western world. Britney Spear's womanhood was at the heart of her exploitation, and although in different ways, Princess Diana's maternal femininity and overall womanhood was also what placed her in such a vulnerable position. You were right to make those two women significant figures in your discussion of the topic.
However, bringing attention only to white women ignores some of the biggest aspects of how celebrity abuse happens and who it happens to. The reason Michael Jackson is so important here is, you have a man who's fame is challenged only by that of Jesus Christ himself, and who is a profoundly concentrated example of how abuse happens and would provide such an easy way to include bigotry and injustice into your video topic, and yet he was 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘦𝘹𝘤𝘭𝘶𝘥𝘦𝘥. One may think it would be more difficult to leave him out of the conversation than include him, because there has never been another public figure more bullied and public attacked than he. His name is synonymous with celebrity abuse/exploitation.
I would like to know why he was omitted from this video, but much more importantly, I want to strongly, strongly encourage you to focus more on the Black experience, how disabilities can demonize someone faster than you can blink, and the deeper nuances of the topics you select for your videos. I've only seen about 5-6 of your videos, and I believe you will not find it difficult to consider these points because you have a complex, solid approach to a variety of subjects. This comment will likely be lost, but I want to leave this here anyway on the hopeful basis of "just in case."
God i miss the way we used to be more candid lol its not like people got nicer they still think the same things they're just less free to voice their opinions
These people are products of mind control starting in uterus and then through their whole life. The moonchild…. its sad. My heart breaks for these "elite children".
It's even worse when abuse comes from the audience that the micro-celebrity identifies as her kin.
Lindsay Ellis and Natalie Wynn have been systemically mocked and abused by conservatives for decades; it's only when she was mobbed by liberals and leftists over infractions that didn't merit anything stronger than a simple call-out, that these creators were left devastated.
Her life is literally a greek tragedy but she's nontheless a goddess.
Jeez guess whether Broey likes Miley or Selena more. Take a wild guess lol. Idk I think it'd be fairer to say there's a difference in disposition here and maybe you're not getting the same outbursts out of Selena Gomez you get out of Miley Cyrus, and I'll admit as someone who cares about neither of them I get the impression Selena Gomez is more fake because I haven't really seen her ever doing anything that wasn't pristine and curated but you know, maybe Selena Gomez really can fit herself inside that box pretty comfortably as a result of the person she is. Maybe she's a more measured person who's very sharp when it comes to how people view her and takes no issue with curating that as we all must in our lives. I think in American culture we tend to favor rebels and radicals for their authenticity and irreverence toward authority which may be oppressive, but what we likely undervalue is genuine goodness and restraint. Quiet confidence and adhesion to authority which is benevolent- not that I'm saying hollywood is, but perhaps you could argue there's a benevolence in whatever authority would encourage her to be careful about how she displays her inner reality to the public. There's definitely some sensibility in taking that voice into account within reasonable limits.
M K Ultra
Also it seems female entertainers get it much much worse just for doing their job, than a famous male person who's been convicted of human trafficking and child abuse
I love the analysis, humor and obvious research for the video. I think there is so much to explore on the themes of personas, performance, social media, self-image and intimacy. Also, it seems like as a society, we distain any emotions other than the easy ones (happiness, for example), but we live our difficult emotions, (anger, jealousy, etc.) vicariously through media to avoid the discomfort of dilemmas and complexity in our own lives. I'm curious if you have done any videos or are researching any on instances of empathy building in media.
The things that happened to Björk are a terrifying example of what can happen when paradoxical relationships are taken too far.
If you want to talk about the cultural shift of society and social values, just look at the way the public/entertainment media/the internet treated Britney Spears in 2007. and how they treat her currently
Miley's candidness is just as manufactured as Selena's.
These are all plastic people. Semi-human shells filled with what those around them think will continue to sell.
MK Ultra seems to explain everything about this poor soul
Britney Spears has been an Mkultra victim of the MicKey Mouse club, where many celebrity kids are forced into their sadistic ritual abuse!!.
Every time a Celebrity goes to “rehab” or hospitalized they are undergoing Mkultra monarch Programming!
Learn symbolism!!
Do you ever notice how celebs are constantly "reinventing" themselves?? They go through countless changes. It's all controlled by corporations. Fame is not real. I'm a huge film buff. They make money off of society & end up controlling society. Some ppl. are more concerned about celebs than public issues/their own life. Most of these ppl. are already rich especially in acting. That's how they make it in this. The likelihood of the average person making it in acting, singing or stand-up is the luck of finding a "needle" in 2 haystacks. Ppl. are so naive. Remember the term "pop star" or "icon" did not really exist until about the late 50's & was mostly pushed by the government/media. The rich control society via many means. They do not want the masses getting too smart or too interested in their agendas. Many of these celebs are used by the elite. What I'm getting @ is this: I'm almost 50 & have done tons of research; U learn to see through the bs of elite celebs & Hollywood since the 80's. It's all about $$.. Great/perceptive video. U did expose a lot.